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They, and also this meme, make the mistake of equating fewer cars with no cars.
Cars can and do access pedestrians places, but when doing so reduce speed to a crawl. They can and do do this in order to pick up or drop off large objects, or when transporting the disabled.
The same way pedestrians can use roads, cars can access pedestrians places as long as they are built wide enough, when needed.
No part of building primarily for pedestrians use requires that cars never be used, it simply means you build based on the fact that the vast majority of the time, they aren’t needed. And that as such, they should be a secondary, not the primary, consideration.
*must be the future
The bottom does not adress the top question.
You can’t really have a firetruck train unless you build every single building within spitting distance of the train station and you can strap the firefighting equipment to a bike.
There are reasonable solutions to this question but this meme does not provide any of them.
This feels more like a parody of a fuckcars poster.
It’s a parody if you’re so defensive you misunderstand the difference between a personal vehicle and a firetruck, I suppose.
When the big street near me turns pedestrian there’s always bollard access for delivery vehicles to all the shops. They aren’t the huge, permanent kind but the sorta that a firetruck or ambulance could absolutely plow right through. Traffic going perpendicular is slow enough that they don’t need to be there for safety so it works super well.
Basically every argument against the idea that maybe cars don’t need to be on every single street requires an astounding level of ignorance and an equal amount of desire to not change that lack of knowledge. Just let it happen, it’s ok.
You can’t really have a firetruck train unless you build every single building within spitting distance of the train station
That’s a great point. Dense infrastructure development makes fire prevention service much cheaper and easier to deliver
Seeing a firetruck or ambulance go down an nyc street at 5 miles an hour is disgusting. It it were a wide foot/bike path and an alert system installed, pedestrians and bike riders would be able to clear the way faster than the oversized svu carrying two people.
Just imagine the speed that firetrucks will be able to weave through cities when there are no stupid fucking cars. On top of the improved air quality, this will save countless lives.
IMO the meme is mocking those who think vehicles are only car-shaped objects, in light of cities imposing restrictions on personal motor vehicle use in built up areas
I doubt it has anything to do with emergency services being restricted to the vehicles shown lol…
I agree, emergency vehicles could still service a lot of pedestrian and cycle access areas if they are designed for it. Many pedestrian areas even allow delivery vehicles in at slow speeds to some businesses and vehicles for garbage, trailers for renovations and other access could be permited as needed.
Things like renovating a roof or delivering an industrial fridge to a restaurant often still require truck access, we just aren’t gonna let everyone drive a truck to the front door just to buy a dozen cookies.
Meme doesn’t even consider the horse!
“Only allow” implies that either way emergency vehicles are allowed. In no reading of the meme were emergency vehicles ever banned.
In that case the meme is just incoherent. Top part is entirely unrelated to the bottom and the title in unrelated to the meme. It’s just bright colors on a screen at that point.
I’m sorry your education seems to have failed you so thoroughly.
Ooh we can just do insults instead of arguments. People like you are too retarded to make proper memes and it is hurting the movement because it makes everyone else look like mentally ill failsons that are just bitter that they can’t get their shit together enough to get a job and afford car.
Normal people that go outside and have sex are going to look at the meme and think “how can there be emergency vehicles if there are no roads for them to drive on?” And then they are going to see Rick fucking sanches gesturing at a box bike like it’s a solution to that problem.
Then they are going to see your fucking ass making grammatical arguments against an doing the smug educate yourself routine reserved for Karens everywhere. The fucking flair you send up when you dont care if you are right or not, you just want to be smug about something.
You coulda just re-read the meme a little slower, but you instead wrote three paragraphs calling me the parasocial one. Reflect on that.
At no point did I call you parasocial. I called you a retard that is contributing to car culture by arguing against cars like a retard.
This
I meant emergency vehicles + trams and bikes dude
Emergency vehicles are clearly mentioned in the top text, that person just misunderstood it and now can’t take the L and they’re throwing around the R-slur whilst accusing other people of resorting to base insults.
Damn…
I really loved the bikes in the Philippines. I was shocked how efficiently they could move people.
“So you’re only going to allow emergency vehicles into cities?”
WABAALUBADUUBDUUB MORTY!!! I MADE A LIVABLE CITYY!! IM LIVABLE CITY RIIICK!!!
Bakfiets.
How can you mention all those weird variations of bikes without mentioning a normal bike?
Lmao this guy has never seen an American. You need a pedal operated wagon for this meme to work.
My city is full of hills and mountains.
Probably not a good idea to fill those valleys with tones of fuel exhaust and build a bunch of tiny roads prone to mudslides.
@thefrankring @stepan So is mine and I bike everyday (because we have good bike infrastructure).
I don’t think biking for personal reasons to be an issue. 10-15 minutes of biking, do a bit of healthy exercise (even if uphill) and you’re done.
But asking people to work on bikes all day while carrying/delivering heavy loads and/or people in the back.
Not even talking about weather conditions: cold snowy winters, hot summers, rainy days, etc.
Sounds a bit unreasonable.
@thefrankring A lot of people in my city carry goods constantly on cargo bikes. A lot of people have taxi-bikes with which they carry people. Even though we have constant heavy rains.
Not because they’re forced to, but because we have good bike infrastructure.
How does good bike infrastructure help with carrying heavy loads uphill?
Electric bikes.
Are those part of infrastructure?
They are, you can either have your own or rent it with an app from a multitude of bike stations, this is a thing in most European cities.
They require a good electrical grid and good bike infrastructure. They are the product of good infrastructure and obviously just mentioned to show you how people can get up hills, not as an example of infrastructure.
I don’t think bike infrastructure to be that good where I live, and I don’t think it’s realistic.
Mostly because biking only happens during the summer where the weather is enjoyable outside.
Unless you purposefully use winter bikes with appropriate fat tires. It’s also very cold during the winter.
Go talk to Norway about biking in the winter, they do it plenty with standard bikes. It’s not like once it snows roads and paths have a permanent layer of snow and ice on them, we invented this thing called a plow.
Also like 3 minutes into biking in the cold you aren’t cold anymore.
Have you ever biked in an icy hill?
This happened where I live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtF_UiwPRYo
Even your amazing plow invention got messed up.
Yeah I fucking live in Canada, the roads aren’t icy unless the whole city is basically in a standstill. If the plows aren’t making it then your car isn’t fucking either genius.
Apart from snow I don’t see a problem with that kind of weather. And if it’s really cold you just need to swipe the snow once, as it’s not really snowing when there is a negative temperature.
have e-bikes not reached your part of the world yet?
This is why you shouldn’t skip leg day, or turn everyday into leg day.
Electric bikes make a massive difference.
Also trams don’t mind that.
That’s true to an extent. I do have ebikes but climbing hills requires more power and power is limited.
If San Francisco can do it then no city has an excuse.
https://api.trekaroo.com/photos/flickr_cache/75233/75233.jpg
I don’t know if I’d use SF as an example of a car free city. They’ve got it as bad as anyone.
I used it as an example of how trams can work on steep hills.
Lol, it’s not that simple to create and maintain such an infrastructure.
Trams and cable cars are unique and part of San Francisco’s history.
Building infrastructure is never easy. San Francisco’s experience could aid in teaching other cities how it’s done. If there’s an easier method, then it could be used, but hills obviously aren’t that big of a problem.
Also riding up hills is just a matter of having the appropriate gears: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipENw5mjjSg
So you’re saying that the city is also a large gym which improves public health 👍
I love showing up to work or formal events drenched in sweat. I love it. Especially when it’s 37C out.
To be fair all of those form of transport come in electric form. I bike to work everyday 25km roundtrip, very easy with an electric bike.
“Let’s destroy where we live, locally and cosmically, because seeing sweaty people or being sweaty makes me psychologically uncomfortable.”
– you
Yeah, once in a while. It doesn’t hurt.
If cities don’t have cars, then where will the workers live? In houses?!
the horrors of row homes where your kids can just walk to their friends
Friends? Did you mean coworkers?
We’re gonna Make America Great Again by making sure every kid has plenty of coworkers. That way they can all pool their resources to help pay eachother’s medical expenses.
Disgusting…
Also, no one’s saying you can’t have commercial delivery trucks or tool trucks for construction/maintenance.
How do you transport a couch 5 miles across the city?
Hire a moving company. The point is that private passenger vehicles should be restricted. Hire a moving company to do the job.
Ah. I thought you guys legit wanted all vehicles gone.
i don’t really know the general consensus around here but my take is that vehicles are massively useful tools but that personalized vehicles are causing and have caused massive problems. the vast majority of people don’t need them (if public transportation wasn’t terrible) but i wouldn’t expect firefighters to take the bus down to a burning house for example
On top of all the quadruple-sheet sized cakes you are constantly moving around.
I do love transporting cakes, you got me there.
Pay a commercial entity to do so.
With a moving company?
