Japan for sure, but China is a bit more complex I think, China for sure is inserted into the capitalist system and plays by market rules so they buy cheap from exploited countries, but to my knowledge they are not really involved into deliberate action to keep places impoverished, and they are dealing with poverty inside their country as no one else on the planet so I think at the very least we have a thing or two to learn with them.
But you are lumping together very dissimilar things, like saying that a mass murderer and a thief, neither are innocent technically, and you saying that they are both the same is a misguided perspective. To say that China is just as bad as the US, is more than naïve, you may believe that China is not the role model for us to follow, for sure that’s a very reasonable perspective, but claiming that there is no improvement by changing the world’s hegemony from the US to China is to ignore reality, China never did any coup on any rival country, China does not finance genocide and never did, China does condition loans to a destructive control over the countries finances like the IMF does. I think you are misguided thinking that both sides are equally bad, there are issues for sure on either side, but I think that the differences are many and should be accounted for, and most important of all, suggest a great improvement with the forces of the east.
You are throwing empty claims, which war China funded? How is what China doing in any material way compared with the warmongering history of the US, you are throwing a false equivalence here, of the most egregious, I do understand not considering China an ally, is not necessarily my opinion, but I get it, but bunching them up with the US and saying they’re just as bad, is again exceedingly naïve in my opinion.
Can we just ban this cracker already? Look at their comment history, they provide nothing but brain damage. (also, I think there’s a basis to do so off of their clear anti-communism and imperialist apologia)
Your dumby friends post fake news, I point it out and then you silence my ability to speak. Continue licking the boot of oppressors because you enjoy oppression.
You may as well point fingers at all the various Islamic, Indian, African, or even indigenous “Amerindian” empires then. But your whataboutism ignores the fact that these empires were vastly different from the system of imperialism as practiced by the west.
It’s like saying “black people enslaved other blacks too,” or “what about the Arab slave trade,” or “indigenous peoples killed each other all the time.” Sure, but the specifics of how the west did it are a world of difference, and you’re a racist for saying it that way.
It isn’t a whataboutism. It is defining the lines of the issues hitting us all.
It is and always has been the class war. Always.
Governments are not your friend. Intelligence agencies work closer with their opposing intelligence agency than the citizens they should be protecting.
And you think this has what to do with modern China? This is like criticising the USSR for Tsarism. You realise the CPC overthrew the previous system? And when it did, it had the cultural revolution to overcome the trappings of that system, for which it is regularly criticised?
Do you actually think the current government is a continuation of imperialist China? Feudal China ended with the revolution. Mao was an anti-imperialist. The PRC is built from ideological opposition to all forms of imperialism.
Do you think the current culture is cleaned entirely of what predicates it? Absolutely not.
But go read the first comment he uses the word centuries. On that scale, China is king imperial. To this day, China still does imperial bullshit and if you don’t think they do you don’t understand how countries today exist and function.
So the existence of a state is evidence of imperialism? Even if the creation of that state brought a deliberate, ideologically-driven and measurable end to the imperial and feudal systems that preceded it?
Lol what is this picking at semantics bullshit eh?
You know what an imperialist is. Invader, conquerer. Kings, emperors. Controlling resources that aren’t yours through political, financial or military force.
You gonna try to say Alexander the Great wasn’t an imperialist because the term didn’t exist then or something silly and asinine?
The east is creating hope for the world after centuries of the west trying to destroy it.
Look I’m not denying western imperialism but China and Japan were both extremely down with imperialism too
Just gonna glaze over that one?
Japan for sure, but China is a bit more complex I think, China for sure is inserted into the capitalist system and plays by market rules so they buy cheap from exploited countries, but to my knowledge they are not really involved into deliberate action to keep places impoverished, and they are dealing with poverty inside their country as no one else on the planet so I think at the very least we have a thing or two to learn with them.
A bit more complex changes nothing. They still did it.
My point is just that nobody is innocent this east vs west shit is trash.
Thought y’all are supposed to be fighting the class war not denying imperialism
But you are lumping together very dissimilar things, like saying that a mass murderer and a thief, neither are innocent technically, and you saying that they are both the same is a misguided perspective. To say that China is just as bad as the US, is more than naïve, you may believe that China is not the role model for us to follow, for sure that’s a very reasonable perspective, but claiming that there is no improvement by changing the world’s hegemony from the US to China is to ignore reality, China never did any coup on any rival country, China does not finance genocide and never did, China does condition loans to a destructive control over the countries finances like the IMF does. I think you are misguided thinking that both sides are equally bad, there are issues for sure on either side, but I think that the differences are many and should be accounted for, and most important of all, suggest a great improvement with the forces of the east.
Both are rich people funding wars on the backs of the poor
The fuck more needs to be said my brother in have-not?
You are throwing empty claims, which war China funded? How is what China doing in any material way compared with the warmongering history of the US, you are throwing a false equivalence here, of the most egregious, I do understand not considering China an ally, is not necessarily my opinion, but I get it, but bunching them up with the US and saying they’re just as bad, is again exceedingly naïve in my opinion.
Can we just ban this cracker already? Look at their comment history, they provide nothing but brain damage. (also, I think there’s a basis to do so off of their clear anti-communism and imperialist apologia)
Fascists lmfao deny any voice you don’t like
Your dumby friends post fake news, I point it out and then you silence my ability to speak. Continue licking the boot of oppressors because you enjoy oppression.
yeah watch this
Thank you mods, ILY ❤️
epic dunk
China? They’ve been subject to colonialism and imperialism since the 19th century, it only ended with the foundation of the PRC.
And before that we had… imperial China. You know the one they refer to as the longest standing empire?
Like…
aight bro, i am going to hold the PRC accountable for the cruelties of the ming dynasty or whatever.
You may as well point fingers at all the various Islamic, Indian, African, or even indigenous “Amerindian” empires then. But your whataboutism ignores the fact that these empires were vastly different from the system of imperialism as practiced by the west.
It’s like saying “black people enslaved other blacks too,” or “what about the Arab slave trade,” or “indigenous peoples killed each other all the time.” Sure, but the specifics of how the west did it are a world of difference, and you’re a racist for saying it that way.
It isn’t a whataboutism. It is defining the lines of the issues hitting us all.
It is and always has been the class war. Always.
Governments are not your friend. Intelligence agencies work closer with their opposing intelligence agency than the citizens they should be protecting.
How do none of you see this lol
And you think this has what to do with modern China? This is like criticising the USSR for Tsarism. You realise the CPC overthrew the previous system? And when it did, it had the cultural revolution to overcome the trappings of that system, for which it is regularly criticised?
Do you actually think the current government is a continuation of imperialist China? Feudal China ended with the revolution. Mao was an anti-imperialist. The PRC is built from ideological opposition to all forms of imperialism.
No.
Do you think the current culture is cleaned entirely of what predicates it? Absolutely not.
But go read the first comment he uses the word centuries. On that scale, China is king imperial. To this day, China still does imperial bullshit and if you don’t think they do you don’t understand how countries today exist and function.
So the existence of a state is evidence of imperialism? Even if the creation of that state brought a deliberate, ideologically-driven and measurable end to the imperial and feudal systems that preceded it?
Lol what definition of imperialism are you using to make this accusation.
Lol what is this picking at semantics bullshit eh?
You know what an imperialist is. Invader, conquerer. Kings, emperors. Controlling resources that aren’t yours through political, financial or military force.
You gonna try to say Alexander the Great wasn’t an imperialist because the term didn’t exist then or something silly and asinine?
imperialism is when emperors, and even in that framework china is not imperialist.
“cHinA wAs ImPeRiAl CeNtuRiEs AgO!?”
this is why you are all tankies and not socialists or communists lmfao continue losing your class war bozos.