I’m conditions to disbelieve anyone who says ‘based’, ‘mid’ or ‘fetch’. I prefer those who don’t follow the vapid cliques.
Yo, you just said all three codewords out loud, I’m just gonna block you instead of disbelieving you.
No one says fetch, really. Do they? Surely that’s just a mean girls reference.
Anyway - language evolves regardless of your preferences, unfortunately. Both “mid” and “based” have been around literally decades now, they are going nowhere.
They really should stop trying to make fetch happen. Fetch is never going to happen.
Now, I don’t like violence. But even I can see that there’s a difference between violence waged for imperialism and violence waged against imperialism.
And you can see the difference too. That’s why Obama and Biden always say that their wars are being waged “for freedom”. That’s why you accept the violence of historical revolutions like the American Revolution.
The problem is, Obama and Biden are lying when they say their wars are for freedom. Their wars are for profit and control.
Too many
Lemmy is worse for political discussion than Reddit has ever been. At least Reddit has had the numbers for people to call out extreme views on either side, but the number of absolute nutjobs on here that either call for the downfall of capitalism immediately, or to let right-wing thinking slide as a natural progression of politics today. They’re the sort of people that post memes about murdering Nazis in the streets, but would cower at the sight of one - or those that would happily march if they weren’t so fucking awkward.
Some of us just want to enjoy the memes.
Imagine unironically comparing wanting the end of capitalism to fascism
The way of it’s end matters.
Anyone here calling for collapse is indulging in fantastical or privileged collapse fantasy. Hoping that from chaos, their preferred brand will come out on top
Ha, this reminds me of a scene from the movie Miss Sloane where they easily discredit some politician on their left by hiring some shmuck to go stand in the background of their speech with a ‘abolish money’ banner
A lot of the Hexbears genuininely seem to be under the impression that escaping the horrors of capitalism to be freed from wage-slavery would mean that they’ll finally have the time for “self-healing and growing their own food” which sparked a funny comment from another lemming that it exposed their fantasy that under communism they’d have a job gardening as opposed to farming
Not sure I agree. Just from the number of pro-kamala threads and negative Trump threads. I don’t see that much in the way of extreme views.
Many people on .world are the so-called ‘Reddit refugees’. I’ve noticed a large portion of them tend to be liberals (as in neoliberals) from the United States and accordingly think of anything left of center as “radical/extreme leftism”. A few weeks back, they were all agitated over some leftist strawmen a few of their more vocal members have been fabricating to gripe about. This is likely just a continuation of the same.
I’m a Reddit refugee too. But thanks for the context. I haven’t seen the straw man. I have noticed a really strong streak of “blue no matter who” which is a terrible attitude to have, that’s the way the Maga folks think.
I’m not even in the US (I’m an Aussie) but my opinion is blue, but like, do better? We gotta do better. Please do better.
To be fair we have the same thing here with shills for the mainstream parties. (But we do have viable 3rd options)
The straw man is “tankies”. There are actual tankies on Lemmy, but these geniuses are using it like United States fascists use woke: to describe anything they don’t like and to shut down discourse. They’re pretty much blue MAGA. It’s gross.
I feel the same way, both about the cultish behavior and that people can and should do better. Unfortunately, the United States treats politics much like it treats sports, and I believe this is partly why idiocy like this manifests so frequently.
Tankies is not a straw man. There’s literally someone in this very thread lying about the events of Tianamen Square by claiming the literal tanks were totally peaceful and not used as part of the CCP’s oppression of people protesting.
It’s almost like you ignored the entire content of the comment you responded to so you could refute a point that isn’t being made.
blue maga is a nonsensical term. MAGA literally want to end democracy and execute their "enemies’. The people you describe as blue maga are…checks notes…shutting down discussions on social media.
The dramatic irony of your discourse poisoning comment in response to a comment about poisoning discourse may be immeasurable using today’s technology.
Yo. I’m not American. (Have lived there before)
But this is hilarious… Maga and the republicans have used the most horrendous language and discourse for the last 8 or so years…
Democrats been little pussy cats…
This shits undoubtable.
They’re doing more than that, but clearly you’re not interested in discourse so much as… Checks notes… Looking for opportunities to tell people they’re wrong.
Facts… If you are maga, you want a king in America… or are a complete idiot. Like so much so, that you deliberately avoid the evidence of the crimes your ex president committees specifically against the American people and process.
There are almost no other options. Want a king/fool.
Unfortunately I see tankie sentiments expressed far too often on Lemmy. Case in point this very thread: https://lemmy.world/comment/11331168
I did see this kind of extremist view expressed on Reddit too, but far less commonly than here.
The extremist views are almost entirely left wing, as in like literal communism. Not like how Republicans call everything communism, but people who want honest to god Marxist-Leninist communism.
And then there’s the tankies, who pretend to like communism but actually just simp for geopolitical enemies of the US.
you could pull waayy more ugly pictures from us imperialism. or against their own.
socialists have something to show for in the form of actual progress in the quality of life of its citizens.
socialists have something to show for in the form of actual progress in the quality of life of its citizens.
Oh, good, so they didn’t have to go to extreme measures to keep their own citizens from fleeing to the capitalist hellholes of the West?
not really
vietnamese can leave, chinese can and do go everywhere. cubans too.
Don’t hurt yourself in your confusion.
not really
Oh, cool, I must have hallucinated all of those emigration restrictions during the Cold War, along with the Berlin Wall and civilians getting machine-gunned for trying to leave their glorious socialist paradise. Silly me.
Amazing how far fascists will go to deny reality.
vietnamese can leave,
Yeah, now they can. You wanna remind me what the most pro-free market country in Asia is?
chinese can and do go everywhere
Since the 80s, sure. Before that, not so much. You also wanna remember what happened to China’s economy in the 80s? Something that rhymes with ‘Lengism’? Unless you want to claim China today as socialist, in which case, I have a few hundred People’s Billionaires to sell you.
cubans too.
Wanna remind me how Cubans escaped to the US throughout the Cold War and into the modern day?
Funny enough, you completely missed one of the socialist countries that DIDN’T have ridiculous emigration restrictions during the Cold War, but I guess Yugoslavia just isn’t pure enough for you lot.
if we are talking about heavily propagandized policies enacted 100 years ago to try and curb imperialism, we could be talking about all the death bought upon them by the west.
the us is the very last country that can talk about machine gunnings, because they were the ones sponsoring most of it through all of recent history, including and especially in the socialist countries you seem to hate so hard for… doing just that?
americans and the brits did full on scorched earth in vietnam and china, and nowadays they have healthcare while you are still shooting up kids in schools. the us sponsored dictatorship throughout my entire continent. literally.
talk about denying reality. i guess they don’t teach you world history for a reason.
He said that the Commie countries had many people wanting to leave, because they were shit holes. Which is true. Soviets broke our economies, killed our innocents (Milada Horáková) and hurt the people. Go to hell sov-tard
if we are talking about heavily propagandized policies enacted 100 years ago to try and curb imperialism,
“You don’t understand, they HAD to gun down people for trying to escape our Socialist Paradise, or else Imperialism would win!”
Impressive.
Thanks for being utterly unable to contradict any of the points brought up that disprove your half-hearted attempt to defend the massacres of your favorite fascist states.
the us is the very last country that can talk about machine gunnings, because they were the ones sponsoring most of it through all of recent history, including and especially in the socialist countries you seem to hate so hard for… doing just that?
Cool, so you can back up the part where we were supposedly machine-gunning our own citizens to stop them from fleeing this capitalist hellhole, right? Since that was the topic brought up?
Oh, wait, of course you can’t.
americans and the brits did full on scorched earth in vietnam and china, and nowadays they have healthcare while you are still shooting up kids in schools.
Oh, of course, having healthcare now justifies all of your fascist regime’s atrocities. By the way, would you like to elaborate on the economic systems of China and Vietnam in the modern day? You know, now that they have healthcare? Just curious.
Also, when did the Brits do ‘full on scorched earth’ in China? 1901?
Just to remind you comrade, Soviet leaders themselves found it unbelievable how full the supermarket shelves are when they visit the West.
South Koreans are far taller than North Koreans-- because the latter enjoy supermarket shelves always being full.
Just to remind you comrade, Soviet leaders themselves found it unbelievable how full the supermarket shelves are when they visit the West
Overly full shelves in supermarkets weren’t the case in the USSR by design, not by accident. Most capitalist countries run what are called “surplus economies”, in which companies normally manufacture more goods and services than they can allocate, and a certain percentage of output, as well as input, is wasted. The Soviet economy, on the contrary, ran a shortage economy. In a shortage economy, you plan the production of goods and services so that it will match the demand as closely as possible, therefore very rarely having a surplus of any good or service unless that’s designed to be exported, but also not leaving any capital or any human labor available without using. Since the Soviet economy was mostly closed off to the outside world and was primarily self-reliant, it wanted to employ its resources in the most efficient way possible. Unemployment was literally 0%. Producing, say, 10% more loaves of bread, or 10% more milk, or 10% more eggs, in an attempt to create a surplus in supermarkets as in the western world, necessarily implied lowering the amount of labor and capital used in other sectors of the economy, e.g. 10% fewer electric drills or 10% fewer trolleybus parts.
Surplus in supermarkets in the west compared to lack of surplus in supermarkets in the Soviet Union isn’t a consequence of “the success” of the west, but of the different priorities and designs. Either way, surplus in supermarkets in the US isn’t very useful when 40 million US citizen, of whom 12 million are children, live in food insecurity.
Sure, it’s an effective system to develop patience waiting in line for hours and perfecting rationing.
There was zero employment at the expense of national budget. People are paid regardless of productivity. And even then, productivity is questionable given the restrictive period plans whereby workers and managers are under pressure to meet quotas, and resort to distorting statistics and figures to appease the party apparatchiks, or else they get punished in euphemistic term. Who knows if there was actual more abundance in certain goods and commodities in Soviet Union.
Thank you for showing us that you’ve never read any seriou economic analysis about the USSR and you’re just regurgitating anti-communist propaganda. Productivity in the USSR was comparable to any western capitalist country, except possibly in agriculture for complicated reasons that I’m not gonna get into. If you make such claims of big productivity differences between USSR and western countries, you should back that up with serious sources, so please go ahead and enlighten us all.
Breadlines happened during wartime and during the perestroika, not at any other times, again please feel free to look that up.
There was zero employment at the expense of national budget
I take it you mean unemployment. But your logic doesn’t make any sense. Employed people, you know, produce goods and services. Not like unemployed people. The inefficient thing that runs at the expense of the national budget is unemployment, you know, when you have to maintain people who don’t work.
Nobody claims that the USSR didn’t have flaws in its economic planning. The lack of supervision and crackdown on infringement led to a decent bit of stealing from state property and resale at the black market. The fake production quotas happened in some sectors at times. And too-strong top-down planning led to some problems like the plan to plant corn in Siberia. But all economic systems have flaws and the USSR was absolutely not less efficient on average than any western country, as proven by the fact that it went from being a feudal backwater empire in 1917 to the second world power of the 20th century.
Thank you for showing us that you’ve never read any seriou economic analysis about the USSR and you’re just regurgitating anti-communist propaganda.
The standard communist thought terminating response “you haven’t the theory, so you don’t know what you’re talking about and shut up”. That maybe the case, but that is irrelevant. Which system is still standing as we speak? Even China is communist in name only and is a state capitalist with rapid increasing number of billionaires than the United States in the past couple of years.
Rationing and breadlines still happened for more years as opposed to free market economy, man. It’s not even consumer and basic commodities that is scarce, but even cars are. It is well known how Soviets had to wait seven to ten years just to buy a car. There is scarcity economy because the system is not great, with prices of everything controlled by the state, which is contrary to the realities of market supply and demand. If communism is great, it wouldn’t have fell. And the remaining “communist” countries are only as such in name only.
Again, thank you for enlightening us with your lack of researched analysis. Please, I beg you to tell me a single book on the topic that you’ve read.
It’s not even consumer and basic commodities that is scarce, but even cars are
Cars are a consumer commodity. I already explained the shortage economy of the USSR. You’re trying to compare the consumer capabilities of citizens of the USSR with what, those of the US? The literal hegemon country of the world, participating in colonialism and unequal exchange to absurd degrees, and industrialized for 100 years more than the USSR? The comparison is ridiculous.
If communism is great, it wouldn’t have fell
…which it didn’t. The illegal, antidemocratic, top-down dismantling of the USSR, was a political decision taken by a few politicians in the party, not a “failure that made the country crumble”. The USSR survived to a civil war, and to a WW2 in which Nazis murdered 25mn+ soviet inhabitants. Much worse economies like that of Cuba still subsist with a very healthy base of communist citizens. Please, go read a history book, instead of spouting the anti-communist propaganda we’ve all heard a million times. The USSR didn’t fall, it was dismantled.
no use in having full shelves when half of the citizens in capitalist countries cant afford eating it.
south korea is a good example of a hugely unequal society where this is the norm.
Oh, cool, you wanna compare nutrition statistics between North and South Korea? I’m sure this will back you up about how terrible the capitalist hellhole of South Korea is!
Nutrition in the USSR by the 70s was literally healthier than that of the USA…
No response for the capitalist hellhole of South Korea, I see.
Wanna know how South Korea grew what it is to be? Implementing a fascist government that pushed against workers’ rights and performed crackdown against unions, applied protectionism to key industries, and welcomed international investment into those sectors, thus becoming a tech giant at the expense of workers of the past, and now participating in unequal exchange as do all other developed capitalist countries
Oh, cool, so North Korea is behind because they didn’t implement a fascist government that pushed against workers’ rights and performed crackdowns against unions, applied protectionism to key industries, and welcomed foreign capital into those sectors?
Fucking lmao.
But sure, tell me how South Korea’s greatest periods of growth were definitely under the periods of dictatorship and military junta and not the democratic period that resulted in reaction to that.
sure, but lets factor in the brutal sanctions, and how the north is sectioned off on mostly unfertile mountain land.
stop doing that to cuba btw, its starting to stink. if socialism were so bad i think you could let them fail fair and square, and show us how bad it actually is, no?
Go ahead and mentally travel in time to when there are only socialist countries left on earth.
With all the dirty liberal countries wiped out, who do the socialists blame for every bad thing that happens?
Oh no, your leader got caught embezzling “guess we missed a lib at the last culling”. Get fucked lmao
How cute that you always have an excuse for why life under your favorite regimes that actually follow your ideal policies instead of departing from ML orthodoxy is always so dog shite, without exception. Almost like MLs are just fascists searching for excuses to brutalize the proletariat.
stop doing that to cuba btw, its starting to stink. if socialism were so bad i think you could let them fail fair and square, and show us how bad it actually is, no?
Sure. I’ve been an opponent of sanctions on Cuba for years. Btw, you want to remind me how many capitalist countries are sanctioning Cuba right now? I always lose track.
Hillary Clinton, the boogeyman, also supports lifting sanctions, I suppose since she’s such a good socialist?
Also, if the ML systems you so adore can’t operate without being subsidized by capitalism, aren’t they really just extensions of capitalist regimes?
Cuba isn’t even their dream communist utopia in terms of their own ideology, but they don’t care. Cuba hasn’t nationalized their extremely lucrative tourism industry. The massive profits from those fancy resorts aren’t being redistributed to the workers.
But apparently they think that as long as you call yourself communist, you are.
See also: China- private property ownership and investment, billionaires and a fucking stock exchange. I actually had a Tankie tell me that if I just read Marx, I would see that earning capital is a feature of communism. That’s how nuts these people are.
We love our supermarket shelves, don’t we folks? The biggest and the fullest in the world, mao zedong, stalin, they all love our supermarket shelves. 30 different flavors of oreos, all in one aisle. can’t have that in russia, folks, can’t have that, horrible country, horrible country. You can only have pizza hutt in russia, folks, believe me, or, as I call it, pizza butt, and that’s only because of our favorite supreme leader gorbachev. You couldn’t even choose your healthcare plan in the USSR, folks, can you believe it? They only had one plan, horrible, horrible healthcare. I’m going to go make out with supreme leader Kim, folks, but I’m going to hate every second of it, believe me.
Don’t forget the 30 different kinds of bread and cheese available at supermarket shelves… without rationing or waiting in line for hours to be given one loaf of bread for the day…
There are far too many of these people on Lemmy~ Earth.
Why is taking the position that the alternative to Americas violent hegemony is more violence?
I had one of these fucks try to tell me that North Korea is very democratic.
Aright anyone have a blocklist for all these extreme politics?
Eat shit you cocksucking motherfucking tankies. Wash your skin, I’m pretty sure your stench reaches the ISS.
Whataboutism. The only way for libs to cope with reality
The only country actually running over people with tanks is Israel and does it with the unconditional support of the US
Liberals as always don’t see Arabs as people. Don’t you dare come asking for our votes.
In no small part because those types of people are the main developers and because, let’s face it, they need a federated medium in case their disinformation campaigns in main social networks begin to be taken down (although given how much their owners like money and that governments seem to be doing shit all to abusive behind-the-scenes misuse of them, not currently likely at all).
People here claiming it’s not the case are just wrong. I’ve been banned from multiple instances and had posts deleted by these bozos. Actually authoritarians lol
