Also this is basically Russian Patsoc // Nazbol-Lite // Strasser-Lite and by popular vote this should be on SReactionariesS instead of SUltrasS
Incredible how these fake ass Marxists equated queer scenes in tv shows with violence, just straight up “LGBT is violence”, and how gleeful these people act to erase us from society.
The fall of the USSR honestly is one of the greatest tragedies in all of human history.
The only real communism is gay communism
“what are [fake] communists fighting for?”
a world just like the one we live in, apparently
If people want to understand this it requires looking at the last two times in history Russia was not like this; 1920’s and pre-Tsar.
You come to the same conclusion both times, its the orthodox church.
It is horrifying to see how far the party of Lenin and Stalin has fallen. This is the organisation that once inspired hope in hundreds of millions of people in every corner of the world.
It started to go downhill after Destalinization things got worse under gorbachit and the fall of the USSR it has hit a new low now
thousands of russian comrades didnt die for these fuckers to become this. fucking tailism from a “vanguad” party.
Millions of Russian soldiers did not die in ww2 and Russian revolution just to see their communist party to be like this
I’m reminded of that one account of some journalist or someone visiting Socialist Russia, I think it was after the civil war, and witnessing a burial of the comrades who died ( i tried to find it, but came up with nothing) and I cry every time just thinking those millions of people who have fought and died for a better world and then we get “communist” parties that have completely forgotten what the whole idea was even supposed to be about!
Millions of Soviets died to protect Stalin’s Soviet Union, which criminalized homosexuality. How would you suggest we proceed from here?
society has a trend towards progressive values the longer it lasts, eventually enough activisim work would make someone realise that lgbtq people are workers too.
return to capitalism certainly didnt improve the lives of gay people in eastern europe.
edit, The real question is why is the so called vanguard party tailing the most reactionary elements of society.
I guess Lenin should’ve vied for support by pogroming jews?
Stalin had a purge of Jewish functionaries late into his rule.
About 90% of Russians oppose gay marriage, and the CPRF has chosen not to be the vanguard party on LGBTQIA+ issues. Given that they control about 11% of the Duma, and have two governorships in Russia, their strategy seems to be working out well. Moreover, it smooths relations with United Russia given that UR controls nationalism in Russia and CPRF is also effectively nationalist in wishing to restore the Soviet Union.
The best possible outcome for Russia is still CPRF gradually taking the helm away from UR, and pushing hard on LGBTQIA+ makes this more difficult, if not impossible.
Leftypol guy saying problematic shit. A classic duo.
so the Lenin should’ve exterminated the jews, very smart and clever. I’m sure the society your “communist” party wants is going to be totally different actually from the ruling capitalist one.
There’s a difference between advocating for lgbtq rights AND THROWING US TO THE WOLVES. Literally you can just stfu about the issue if 90% of people want to murder gay people.
There’s also a difference between pushing hard for LGBTQIA+ issues and passive support in countries where popular opinion is against you.
I think this is the point of critical support.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_North_Korea
Fact of the matter is, most of BRICS and AES are more retrograde on LGBTQIA+ than Western nations, and China has shown backsliding, with the Global Times editor-in-chief being censored for plugging a transgender talkshow host on his Weibo.
It is a perfectly valid position to take a pro-Western bourgeois democracy stance if you make LGBTQIA+ the core of your politics, but if you don’t, you accept critical support as your main line.
Critical support in their struggle of creating a revolution through a ballot box for a splintered working class then, I guess.
Yeah, sorry, but I know there are many LGBTQIA+ people here for which LGBTQIA+ issues are often existential (i.e, murder by bigots).
But we do have to acknowledge that Western bourgeois democracies are more progressive on LGBTQIA+ issues and that this will become a splintering line by bourgeois establishments, and this has to be brought into discussion.
Western communist parties generally are pro-LGBTQIA+, but communist parties in the Global South are often more regressive (Laos, for instance, limits LGBTQIA+ discussions online, but culturally tolerates transgenderism). I can put out my critical support line, but it’s not a strong position to hold.
How do we sincerely engage with this problem?
I HATE NAZBOLS
I HATE NAZBOLS
Sad that the one of the largest communist and opposition russian party and the official Communist Party of Russia is like this bs
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_history_in_Russia
Slavic culture is relatively homophobic, including during the Soviet era. I’d see this as Socialism with Russian characteristics and not ask Russians to hold a Western attitude toward LGBTQIA+ unless they are in the West.
Slavic culture is relatively homophobic
Yeah more or less, it has its history and roots to the orthodox church, id ask Russians to consider the infulence and historical context as to the structures of society with the Church and how it infulences social ideology towards LGBT+ comrades. It was beaten into them with serfdom and abject slavery with repeating famine for 100’s of years, sending them into a deep dark age that there grandfathers fought and died to free themselves from the shackles of.
The issue was the church did not get burned down with the Tsar, it remained and corrupts Russia to this day.
How does “culture” excuse such an attitude? Imagine if a certain group said that their version of socialism allowed them to be racist to another group, or misogynistic — it would rightfully be seen as reactionary and deplorable.
I struggle to see how this is any different. Further, the Presidentium had been working to make strides in LGBT acceptance and rights in the late 70s, to which they were prevented in moving forward by the disaster that was Gorbachev’s administration.
the Presidentium had been working to make strides in LGBT acceptance and rights in the late 70s
Lets remind ourselves what the first words uttered in space where, ‘no god’
Not all Russians bought the churches brainworms.
Sadly that isn’t true. Gagarin’s first words in space were “The sky is very black. The Earth is blue. Everything can be seen, it is very clear”.
The line about “No gods” comes from an erroneous attribution of a Khrushchev quote to Gagarin which he supposedly said several days after his trip; however there is no evidence to back this up, which combined with the fact that Gagarin was an active member of the Orthodox Church, makes it unlikely that he ever said anything related to the line.
Why do they hate us so much? I don’t get it…. Is it because of pink washing or do they just think queer people are gross?
Probably because they think LGBT are grooming kids I don’t consider them Left-Wing but syncretic
Honestly, the “concerns about grooming kids” schtick has never convinced me (as someone who was raised in a shitty ultra-religious family myself).
The simple truth is that “love the sinner, hate the sin” never actually works that way. For most bigoted types, there’s an inherent hatred already there in fact (founded on insecurities, whether it be of their own sexuality/masculinity/femininity/etc, of the sort where they can’t handle people not living according to their rules and beliefs and it hurts their ego, etc). Anything afterwards is just an excuse, not that they need one, but they’ll certainly use it.
Directing hatred at some distant group also is- its own kind of catharsis? It may be unhealthy, but I suspect it’s pretty common. Personally (as someone who’s trans and queer AF)- as a kid, before I knew or was comfortable with myself, I used to be (and was raised to be) homophobic myself (though I wouldn’t have been nasty to someone if I knew they were gay) and can even remember talking in jr. high about wanting to “kill racists and gays” (to which my teacher had the decency to ask me what gay people had ever done to me- and I walked back on that one. Anyways I was a troubled kid as an understatement).
In my own experience, it was in some considerable part insecurity- but added to that, I wanted an outlet for my anger and bitterness, I suppose. What I’m talking about is over a decade ago at this point (I’m in my late 20s) and I’d like to think I’ve become a much better person since (and can recognize that- on some level, kid me didn’t have much of a chance if any of learning prior).
As Archer would say, “Eh, a little of column A, a little of column B”
