Ah yes, Hamas, the 7000 innocent men women and children murdered must have all been Hamas members. The entire strip is Hamas according to the IDF. That’s why its necessary to deprive children of food, shelter, water, and medical attention, all while raining hell down on them 24 hours a day. Makes perfect sense. They just have to you guys don’t you get it all the palestinians are hamas, and those journalists they murdered they’re all hamas too!
Even tho you ignore the fact that hamas was elected in 2004 and half the civilians currently alive in gaza are children who would of course not voted before they were born, how do you justify the explosion in settler terrorism in the west bank since gaza has been sieged? How do you justify the bombing of civilians in the west bank if theres no hamas there? Also if i gave you a warning to evacuate your home or die im sure you wouldnt leave so why should gazans?
Your premise that there is land which is reserved for arabs is false. If there is empty land Jews can live there. I don’t care for the idea that arabs live freely in Israel with equal rights while in the west bank, or Jordan, or Iraq Jews cannot live there, have equal rights and in fact would be killed.
You have had 75 yrs against Israel legitimacy and Israel has to take steps for security. Israel is tiny. Why can’t Jordan, which is a part of Palestine give land to the Palestinians or the state of Israel? Why was the entire land of Jordan given to ‘the heshimite family’ who are not even native to the land ?
It is clear to anyone clear thinking person that islamic outlook is fascist and has been at open war against Jews and non Muslims for decades and centuries. And that they have been defeated, are the losers, and now peddle this pathetic propaganda and it takes root because of weak minded people whose thoughts are based on childish slogans that are recited in unison, have you read 1984?
This is why the media is so highly censored in these places, that they scream over any debate, they are violent fascists, relying on censorship and propaganda, using any means to advance their idiotic religious agenda.
That doesn’t matter. If I tie you to a post, tell you to run away, and then when you are unable to run I say “well I warned you” and then shoot you - is that action suddenly not murder? Hamas has nothing to do with Israel murdering innocent Palestinians. Innocent Palestinians are not Hamas. They’re just civilians. They’re mothers, they’re the elderly, they’re children. They’re families.
Warning to evacuate means nothing. Warning to evacuate is for natural disasters. That “warning” is just pretext to commit mass murder.
“They all celebrated and danced around dead bodies on 10/7- those people should die.” Those people have nothing at all to do with Israel murdering innocent Palestinians every day. They’ve killed more Palestinian children since the 7th than all the Israelis killed on that day and since. Just the children. Where are your calls for the execution of the members of the IDF and the israeli state orchestrating the mass murder of children?
They don’t have to tell them to evacuate, hamas attacked and started a war, there’s a war, they’re not tied to a post.
There is no conceivable way that there wouldn’t be a war after what Hamas did.
And you can use the typical pal trope of what about what Israel did before… And the fact of the matter is if you want to trace this conflict to it’s genesis its that pals follow a fascist Islamic ideology which is opposed to any Jewish state.of any form and no Jewish presence anywhere in the land. They are fascist. They have launched war and terrorists attacks , have been defeated and restrained and their only recourse is to hide behind children and play the victim, yell slogans to affect weak minded people.
The Jews have always been willing to live in peace, live with a Palestinian state, live with arabs in the state of Israel. The Muslims have openly opposed any peace with Jews. Jews are the natives of the land and the Muslims have said even if an area is completely abandoned, a swamp or a desert, that Jews cannot be there, they are ok with Muslims from any other part of the world being there, they are ok with no one there, but not Jews who are the natives of the land. They are fascist. Imagine caring about the ‘character of the land’ and seeking to exclude Jews… It is a mosque built on top of the Jewish temple, Islam is the occupier. You see the fascist Muslims fight like this against the Jews as well as many other people in many countries, you are reflexive and weak minded if you are sympathetic to them when they complain about losing the wars they start, hiding behind children for propagana
Are you a woman lady autumn? Do you have any idea what it’s like to be a woman in a fascist islamic regime? That in Iran and Gaza they kill women who don’t wear their head scarfs, will kill them if they talk to a man, what do you think their marriages are like? They are misogynistic and it’s no wonder they have such an easy time recruiting terrorists
Children never deserve to be murdered. Ever. No matter by whom or for what reason. I don’t have any response to the rampant amount of Islamophobia in general displayed here. Not all Muslims are violent misogynists. Innocent civilians who have done no wrong should never be murdered under any circumstances.
Murder is deliberately targeting, it is a war crime, it is what Hamas did, it is what Nazis did.
When terrorists hide behind civilians and civilians are killed inadvertently in the midst of a war it is called collateral damage, they are not intentionally targeted and it is not Anwar crime. Again hamas is the war criminal hiding behind them.
In every war civilians die because of collateral damage, in WW2, the civil war, every war. The difference is hamas targets children and hides behind them, Israel takes steps to avoid civilian casualties
No, no, no. Throwing a fucking bomb randomly into a civilian neighborhood is not collateral damage. The civilians are the direct damage. Starving children and depriving them of water and healthcare is murder.
You’re deliberately misrepresenting every single action taken by the IDF.
No I’m not, the IDF targets hamas, maybe sometimes they miss. Hamas has been launching hundreds of rockets a day indiscriminately into Israel for years.
The gazans should go into Egypt, Hamas is the government and controls where aid goes
The IDF is one of the most well armed and well funded militaries the United States owns in the entire world. They could hit a fucking toothpick in London with their missiles. They aim them at the brown people. That’s it. That’s where their “aiming” stops. They bomb any inch of Gaza. They’re killing children. Children. Actual literal children.
Hamas is a fucking terrorist organization. It’s the difference between a slingshot and an ICBM. Look at the death toll over the last 30 fucking years. It’s not even close.
Hamas doesn’t matter. NONE OF THIS MAKES KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE OKAY. IF I WENT OUT AND BLEW UP A NEIGHBORHOOD TODAY AND CLAIMED THERE WERE TRANSPHOBIC TERRORISTS THERE I WOULD BE INTERNATIONALLY CONDEMNED AND SENTENCED TO DEATH FOR MY CRIMES. ISRAEL DOES IT AND THE US ORDERS 5 BILLION DOLLARS IN FUNDING FOR THEM.
I’m not arguing with someone who thinks murdering children is fine cause they’re brown and they’re Muslim. Unironically fuck you. You are racist scum.
The problem is that the IDF apparently misses so much that historically, Palestinian casualties have been over 20 times higher than Israeli casualties, but yet you think the attack on October 7th was what “started a war”. Hamas rockets bad, IDF rockets good, or what? Oh I forgot, murdering 20 people for one is ok when done in retaliation (/s)
I get the joke but there’s also the question of how many kids are currently Hamas, when kids include anyone under 18 then some of those kids are already going to be actively engaged in combat for Hamas.
Or did we think that in Gaza everyone waits until they’re 18 before getting involved?
The IDF issued an order to evacuate the north part of Gaza. So anyone that didn’t evacuate? Hamas. And the people who evacuated? Hamas using human shields. Sadly this isn’t satire, it is the IDF’s actual justification.
7000… Isn’t that number from Hamas? I’m pretty critical of Israel’s reaction to the terror attacks myself but taking Hamas’ numbers at face value and to propagate that number without questioning it is extremely naive.
They recently released a list of everyone who died in the last few weeks, with names and national IDs, numbering about 6400 IIRC. I think we can believe that. They said there were 200 or so unidentified victims.
No, it isn’t. I’ve followed the death tolls day after bloody day. I didn’t even know that hamas had made any claim about the death toll.
And even the way you phrased that “pretty critical of Israel’s reaction to the terror attacks” is propaganda. Mass murder of civilians, depriving civilians of food water and healthcare, neither of those things is a reaction to anything. Those actions stand on their own. No one is forcing Netanyahu to kill children. He is happily doing it on his own.
On the contrary: saying that these atrocities committed by Israel were not direct reactions to the atrocities committed by Hamas is intellectually dishonest. There is no good guy in this conflict, both sides are thugs out for blood with the civilians on both sides caught in the middle. Believing anything else is falling for propaganda.
Hamas is not equal to Israel. Israel is funded by the United States, directly funded and armed by it. Israel has support from the entirety of the western world, you know all the nations that hold disproportionate military and political power across the entire globe? Hamas isn’t even a military. They’re barely a militia. They’re a group of extremist terrorists who in response to literally apartheid have managed to lob a few missiles every couple years and to your credit have committed atrocities of their own. It pales in comparison to Israel and the IDF. Death tolls over the last 30 years are incomparable. Whenever Israel decides its appropriate, tens of thousands of palestinians die. When hamas ramps up and commits their own acts of aggression a hundred or two Israelis die. They do not have the same ability. Members of hamas are also Palestinians and are also being actively deprived of human rights by the Israeli state.
You can repeat “both sides” over and over till your blue in the face. It’s not equivalent and anyone who can count can plainly see that. Anyone who bothers to read the history can plainly see that. Anyone who listens to any source other than the US government and the IDF can plainly see that. Anyone who values human life can plainly see the reality of ongoing apartheid and genocide in Israel. Palestinians are dying in droves. Israelis have been killed too, but the numbers are not and never have been even close. Note for a moment that the country is called Israel, Israel is occupying Palestine land. They’re colonizers. They always have been. That’s what happened. The allied powers after world War 2 said “the Muslim brown people in palestine don’t matter, you jews can go there and get out of Europe cause we don’t want you here”. And that’s exactly what they did. The entire time Israel has had a modern military funded by the world’s superpowers. The entire time Palestinians have been deprived of human rights. The entire time there has been no military of Palestine.
Both sides is propaganda. There is only one side. There’s only 1 army. There’s only 1 state. There’s only 1 colonizing nation. Palestinian civilians are who always dies. And it is Israel killing them. Plain and fucking simple. The Israeli state government openly hates them. How do you justify the IDF calling Palestinians “human animals”? How do you justify Netanyahu saying he wants to “turn Gaza into a desert island”? You’re defending racist genocidal maniacs. I’m not defending the actions taken by hamas. I am however rightfully pointing out that by any fucking metric Palestinians are the victims here. By number of deaths, by apartheid, by their government (Israel) confining them to an enclave and depriving them of food water and medicine. By history, by the dwindling land they own. By discrimination in employment, housing and healthcare. By living under the power of a government who openly calls for their genocide and calls them animals. By a racist dictator with one of the most powerful militaries in the world and the unwavering support of the single most powerful nation on earth.
There’s no rebuttal to that. Israel has to stop or be stopped. There is literally no argument to the contrary. Genocide is wrong. Depriving children of food and water is wrong. Bombing innocent families is wrong. Bombing hospitals and shelters is wrong. Bombing lines of evacuees is wrong. Killing journalists and paramedics is wrong. And they’ve been doing it with impunity for the last 40 years. The reaction to 1 atrocity being committed should not be to commit a hundred thousand atrocities. It didn’t have to be. They chose this. Palestinians have no army, and they live in Israel. Israel could have chosen any other way to address this situation. 30 years ago they could have chosen, along with the US, to pursue diplomacy. But instead they said Palestinian culture was unacceptable and could never be tolerated alongside Israeli culture. They compared them with rats, and walked away from negotiations. You can thank Netanyahu for that. This was the path Israel has chosen time and time again. And they are taking full advantage of the opportunity to commit war crimes against Palestinian civilians.
Ah yes, Hamas, the 7000 innocent men women and children murdered must have all been Hamas members. The entire strip is Hamas according to the IDF. That’s why its necessary to deprive children of food, shelter, water, and medical attention, all while raining hell down on them 24 hours a day. Makes perfect sense. They just have to you guys don’t you get it all the palestinians are hamas, and those journalists they murdered they’re all hamas too!
Hamas is the governing body there, they all celebrated and danced around dead bodies on 10/7- those people should die.
They’ve been given warning to evacuate. Why doesn’t Egypt let them in? Remember the lie that Israel bombed the crossing?
Even tho you ignore the fact that hamas was elected in 2004 and half the civilians currently alive in gaza are children who would of course not voted before they were born, how do you justify the explosion in settler terrorism in the west bank since gaza has been sieged? How do you justify the bombing of civilians in the west bank if theres no hamas there? Also if i gave you a warning to evacuate your home or die im sure you wouldnt leave so why should gazans?
Your premise that there is land which is reserved for arabs is false. If there is empty land Jews can live there. I don’t care for the idea that arabs live freely in Israel with equal rights while in the west bank, or Jordan, or Iraq Jews cannot live there, have equal rights and in fact would be killed.
You have had 75 yrs against Israel legitimacy and Israel has to take steps for security. Israel is tiny. Why can’t Jordan, which is a part of Palestine give land to the Palestinians or the state of Israel? Why was the entire land of Jordan given to ‘the heshimite family’ who are not even native to the land ?
It is clear to anyone clear thinking person that islamic outlook is fascist and has been at open war against Jews and non Muslims for decades and centuries. And that they have been defeated, are the losers, and now peddle this pathetic propaganda and it takes root because of weak minded people whose thoughts are based on childish slogans that are recited in unison, have you read 1984?
This is why the media is so highly censored in these places, that they scream over any debate, they are violent fascists, relying on censorship and propaganda, using any means to advance their idiotic religious agenda.
That doesn’t matter. If I tie you to a post, tell you to run away, and then when you are unable to run I say “well I warned you” and then shoot you - is that action suddenly not murder? Hamas has nothing to do with Israel murdering innocent Palestinians. Innocent Palestinians are not Hamas. They’re just civilians. They’re mothers, they’re the elderly, they’re children. They’re families.
Warning to evacuate means nothing. Warning to evacuate is for natural disasters. That “warning” is just pretext to commit mass murder.
“They all celebrated and danced around dead bodies on 10/7- those people should die.” Those people have nothing at all to do with Israel murdering innocent Palestinians every day. They’ve killed more Palestinian children since the 7th than all the Israelis killed on that day and since. Just the children. Where are your calls for the execution of the members of the IDF and the israeli state orchestrating the mass murder of children?
They don’t have to tell them to evacuate, hamas attacked and started a war, there’s a war, they’re not tied to a post.
There is no conceivable way that there wouldn’t be a war after what Hamas did.
And you can use the typical pal trope of what about what Israel did before… And the fact of the matter is if you want to trace this conflict to it’s genesis its that pals follow a fascist Islamic ideology which is opposed to any Jewish state.of any form and no Jewish presence anywhere in the land. They are fascist. They have launched war and terrorists attacks , have been defeated and restrained and their only recourse is to hide behind children and play the victim, yell slogans to affect weak minded people.
The Jews have always been willing to live in peace, live with a Palestinian state, live with arabs in the state of Israel. The Muslims have openly opposed any peace with Jews. Jews are the natives of the land and the Muslims have said even if an area is completely abandoned, a swamp or a desert, that Jews cannot be there, they are ok with Muslims from any other part of the world being there, they are ok with no one there, but not Jews who are the natives of the land. They are fascist. Imagine caring about the ‘character of the land’ and seeking to exclude Jews… It is a mosque built on top of the Jewish temple, Islam is the occupier. You see the fascist Muslims fight like this against the Jews as well as many other people in many countries, you are reflexive and weak minded if you are sympathetic to them when they complain about losing the wars they start, hiding behind children for propagana
Are you a woman lady autumn? Do you have any idea what it’s like to be a woman in a fascist islamic regime? That in Iran and Gaza they kill women who don’t wear their head scarfs, will kill them if they talk to a man, what do you think their marriages are like? They are misogynistic and it’s no wonder they have such an easy time recruiting terrorists
Children never deserve to be murdered. Ever. No matter by whom or for what reason. I don’t have any response to the rampant amount of Islamophobia in general displayed here. Not all Muslims are violent misogynists. Innocent civilians who have done no wrong should never be murdered under any circumstances.
Murder is deliberately targeting, it is a war crime, it is what Hamas did, it is what Nazis did.
When terrorists hide behind civilians and civilians are killed inadvertently in the midst of a war it is called collateral damage, they are not intentionally targeted and it is not Anwar crime. Again hamas is the war criminal hiding behind them.
In every war civilians die because of collateral damage, in WW2, the civil war, every war. The difference is hamas targets children and hides behind them, Israel takes steps to avoid civilian casualties
No, no, no. Throwing a fucking bomb randomly into a civilian neighborhood is not collateral damage. The civilians are the direct damage. Starving children and depriving them of water and healthcare is murder.
You’re deliberately misrepresenting every single action taken by the IDF.
No I’m not, the IDF targets hamas, maybe sometimes they miss. Hamas has been launching hundreds of rockets a day indiscriminately into Israel for years.
The gazans should go into Egypt, Hamas is the government and controls where aid goes
The IDF is one of the most well armed and well funded militaries the United States owns in the entire world. They could hit a fucking toothpick in London with their missiles. They aim them at the brown people. That’s it. That’s where their “aiming” stops. They bomb any inch of Gaza. They’re killing children. Children. Actual literal children.
Hamas is a fucking terrorist organization. It’s the difference between a slingshot and an ICBM. Look at the death toll over the last 30 fucking years. It’s not even close.
Hamas doesn’t matter. NONE OF THIS MAKES KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE OKAY. IF I WENT OUT AND BLEW UP A NEIGHBORHOOD TODAY AND CLAIMED THERE WERE TRANSPHOBIC TERRORISTS THERE I WOULD BE INTERNATIONALLY CONDEMNED AND SENTENCED TO DEATH FOR MY CRIMES. ISRAEL DOES IT AND THE US ORDERS 5 BILLION DOLLARS IN FUNDING FOR THEM.
I’m not arguing with someone who thinks murdering children is fine cause they’re brown and they’re Muslim. Unironically fuck you. You are racist scum.
The problem is that the IDF apparently misses so much that historically, Palestinian casualties have been over 20 times higher than Israeli casualties, but yet you think the attack on October 7th was what “started a war”. Hamas rockets bad, IDF rockets good, or what? Oh I forgot, murdering 20 people for one is ok when done in retaliation (/s)
Well think about it. At this point, after all the trauma, how many of those kids are future Hamas? Gotta be safe.
If this is satire, it’s not good, since this is the Israeli policy.
always end the bloodline
I get the joke but there’s also the question of how many kids are currently Hamas, when kids include anyone under 18 then some of those kids are already going to be actively engaged in combat for Hamas.
Or did we think that in Gaza everyone waits until they’re 18 before getting involved?
Probably not considering the average age in Gaza is 19.
The IDF issued an order to evacuate the north part of Gaza. So anyone that didn’t evacuate? Hamas. And the people who evacuated? Hamas using human shields. Sadly this isn’t satire, it is the IDF’s actual justification.
And now the people who did agree to evacuate are beginning to return to the north because the south is being bombed as well.
7000… Isn’t that number from Hamas? I’m pretty critical of Israel’s reaction to the terror attacks myself but taking Hamas’ numbers at face value and to propagate that number without questioning it is extremely naive.
They recently released a list of everyone who died in the last few weeks, with names and national IDs, numbering about 6400 IIRC. I think we can believe that. They said there were 200 or so unidentified victims.
No, it isn’t. I’ve followed the death tolls day after bloody day. I didn’t even know that hamas had made any claim about the death toll.
And even the way you phrased that “pretty critical of Israel’s reaction to the terror attacks” is propaganda. Mass murder of civilians, depriving civilians of food water and healthcare, neither of those things is a reaction to anything. Those actions stand on their own. No one is forcing Netanyahu to kill children. He is happily doing it on his own.
On the contrary: saying that these atrocities committed by Israel were not direct reactions to the atrocities committed by Hamas is intellectually dishonest. There is no good guy in this conflict, both sides are thugs out for blood with the civilians on both sides caught in the middle. Believing anything else is falling for propaganda.
Hamas is not equal to Israel. Israel is funded by the United States, directly funded and armed by it. Israel has support from the entirety of the western world, you know all the nations that hold disproportionate military and political power across the entire globe? Hamas isn’t even a military. They’re barely a militia. They’re a group of extremist terrorists who in response to literally apartheid have managed to lob a few missiles every couple years and to your credit have committed atrocities of their own. It pales in comparison to Israel and the IDF. Death tolls over the last 30 years are incomparable. Whenever Israel decides its appropriate, tens of thousands of palestinians die. When hamas ramps up and commits their own acts of aggression a hundred or two Israelis die. They do not have the same ability. Members of hamas are also Palestinians and are also being actively deprived of human rights by the Israeli state.
You can repeat “both sides” over and over till your blue in the face. It’s not equivalent and anyone who can count can plainly see that. Anyone who bothers to read the history can plainly see that. Anyone who listens to any source other than the US government and the IDF can plainly see that. Anyone who values human life can plainly see the reality of ongoing apartheid and genocide in Israel. Palestinians are dying in droves. Israelis have been killed too, but the numbers are not and never have been even close. Note for a moment that the country is called Israel, Israel is occupying Palestine land. They’re colonizers. They always have been. That’s what happened. The allied powers after world War 2 said “the Muslim brown people in palestine don’t matter, you jews can go there and get out of Europe cause we don’t want you here”. And that’s exactly what they did. The entire time Israel has had a modern military funded by the world’s superpowers. The entire time Palestinians have been deprived of human rights. The entire time there has been no military of Palestine.
Both sides is propaganda. There is only one side. There’s only 1 army. There’s only 1 state. There’s only 1 colonizing nation. Palestinian civilians are who always dies. And it is Israel killing them. Plain and fucking simple. The Israeli state government openly hates them. How do you justify the IDF calling Palestinians “human animals”? How do you justify Netanyahu saying he wants to “turn Gaza into a desert island”? You’re defending racist genocidal maniacs. I’m not defending the actions taken by hamas. I am however rightfully pointing out that by any fucking metric Palestinians are the victims here. By number of deaths, by apartheid, by their government (Israel) confining them to an enclave and depriving them of food water and medicine. By history, by the dwindling land they own. By discrimination in employment, housing and healthcare. By living under the power of a government who openly calls for their genocide and calls them animals. By a racist dictator with one of the most powerful militaries in the world and the unwavering support of the single most powerful nation on earth.
There’s no rebuttal to that. Israel has to stop or be stopped. There is literally no argument to the contrary. Genocide is wrong. Depriving children of food and water is wrong. Bombing innocent families is wrong. Bombing hospitals and shelters is wrong. Bombing lines of evacuees is wrong. Killing journalists and paramedics is wrong. And they’ve been doing it with impunity for the last 40 years. The reaction to 1 atrocity being committed should not be to commit a hundred thousand atrocities. It didn’t have to be. They chose this. Palestinians have no army, and they live in Israel. Israel could have chosen any other way to address this situation. 30 years ago they could have chosen, along with the US, to pursue diplomacy. But instead they said Palestinian culture was unacceptable and could never be tolerated alongside Israeli culture. They compared them with rats, and walked away from negotiations. You can thank Netanyahu for that. This was the path Israel has chosen time and time again. And they are taking full advantage of the opportunity to commit war crimes against Palestinian civilians.